Talk:Holstaur Milk/@comment-213.119.32.191-20150120151052/@comment-25035274-20150128152741

It's been covered in other discussions, but Mamono are developing a civilization of their own. Granted, its a largely hedonistic civilization, but that doesn't make it any less a civilization.They form communities(even cities), have laws and rules(lax though they may be by our standards, at least in some areas), and explore avenues such as magical research, trade and merchantile, and the arts. Many people here in the real world are far less civilized, by those standards; never mind the kinds of bandits that tend to roam the wilds in fantasy settings.

So please. Don't continue with that whole, "They're less civilized than all people," thing. It's pretty blatantly untrue. You might be civilized. I might be civilized. That guy you saw on the news who got gunned down because he wouldn't stop eating a homeless guy's face? Is that someone who's civilized? Or how about the countless militaristic nutbags who decide busting their way into someone elses country, shooting up towns and raping women and children before smearing their brains across the walls is a good idea because some ponce in a funny hat called them a mean name, or because GOD SAID IT WAS A GOOD THING TO DO? Maybe that's your idea of the superiority of human civilization?

Both of these are real world,modern examples of how "civilized" humans are, by the by. Though the second one is more of a general example than specific. The first, however, is a very specific example that happened about two years ago in the American city of Miami.

Doing things you don't like isn't what makes you civilized. Civility is a matter of how one conducts oneself within society. Do you help it, or do you harm it?

With that said? Yes, the holstaurus would likely turn to a milking machine in such a situation. She's certainly not going to expect her husband to milk her with shattered wrists/hands.