Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-43782881-20200803074517/@comment-27950421-20200804015826

Gnomehunter wrote: '''Women are allowed to want to solve problems like catcalling. This does not mean that they don’t care about more serious examples of harm done to women. Talking about serious harm done to women does not mean men have no problems. Feminism is focused on solving women’s problems, just like many other organizations and movements meant to help certain groups or populations. But their efforts, their principles, can be used to help men. Improving justice systems means improving them for men. Improving education means addressing issues in the way kids are raised and taught, for both boys and girls. Teach boys to be more open about their emotions, increase empathy, make more room for boys and men to talk about their issues. One of your earliest responses mentioned feminism changing to a broader more humanitarian goal. Feminism is humanitarian. I want more men to understand the principles of feminism, that they can benefit from those principles, without trying to tear it down. '''

I agree, women should be allowed to confront and deal with all of their problems, large or small. However, that does not excuse outright ignoring male issues when the most vocal parts of the movement are defining it as I have described. Either these individuals agree with you, that feminism is about women and men can go die in a ditch as far as the movement is concerned, and thus they are actively and intentionally being deceitful. Or they truly believe that feminism is "the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes" and the movement (their brand of it anyways) has been exceedingly negligent.

I will say thay I disagree, while the goal of improving women's rights is humanitarian, feminism, as you have described it, is not. It does not push towards and improvement to the human condition as a whole but only the improvement in the lives of women. If it goes too far, it will only result in a matriarchal inversion of the patriarchy that has already caused so much trouble. The fact you want men to understand feminism amd think that some may gain from that doesn't change that.

I don't want to seem like I'm being too aggressive here but there's really no nice way of saying that.