Talk:Theriomorphosis Potion/@comment-37882783-20190708084146/@comment-46020217-20200630023938

From what I can understand from all of this is that Monster Girls aren't interested in actual animals/beasts for beastiality. Even with these potions, it should be safe to say that the spouse is still a human man. It does say his beast scent is just that of a man's odor but concentrated. It says the body is changed but it should also be safe to say that the spirit, soul, and heart are all very much human. Monster Girls are designed for their husband and his body alone so it's likely any transformation spell or potion can't be that radical. This kind of thing already existed in Wonderland too.

Even the sabbath of beasts say they love beasts and completely become beasts but they're still quite clearly not literal animals and they still only take human men as their spouses. Cait/Cu Saith versions of the husband might be more an accurate description. As for four-legs, it might be a situation where he's unable to walk bipedal. "A Sabbath whose objective is to combine the charm of juveniles touted by us with the adorableness of fluffy beasts using their own bodies by loving beasts and completely becoming beasts themselves." As for loving beasts, if it's 'in-love', then it's clearly going to be their human male husbands. If it's not 'in-love', then it may be like admiring an animal or having a pet. If you say you love your pet or that you love horses, you likely mean love in a very innocent, non-romantic way. I also can't help but notice the repeated use of quotation marks around the word beast.

I've never read anything elsewhere that would lead me to believe that Monster Girls feed on animals for their spirit energy other than as eating meat for food. Now I've not read anything that blatantly says Monster Girls won't fondle animals but it may be implied. Tentacle pleasure from a tentacle plant on a married Monster Girl can indefinitely resist it as it's not coming from her husband, in the case of a man-marionette. So I can only assume the same would go for actual animals. Tentacle plants also have a level of intelligence that likely won't be found in any animal. The importance of the penis in a human man, monster girl relationship must be utmost. I can't imagine any spell or potion radically changing it.

Now I also haven't read anything that says Monster Girls won't use animals for simple pleasure like with intimate friends or tentacle plants but I haven't read anything that says they do either. Personally, I'd love to be able to ask KC this question myself to put it to bed as I'm bothered by the lack of complete information. I can understand human women having that kind of propensity as being human women since they tend to retain real-life frailties of sin, such as in the case of infidelity, but, from everything I've read, I'm inclined to believe Monster Girls don't see actual animals as anything other than just animals. In the case of Censer of Dreams: "Also, a man who loved other men will be a woman in the form of the dream, and to a woman with perverted disposition, it seems the appearance of men may also become that of tentacles or beasts." The wording of this makes me think that it's in regards to humans, man and woman alike. Especially since later, the only use of terms for Monster Girls involve how they're the only ones capable of interfering with a dream or peeking into one to use it as ammunition in scoring that man as a husband.

Since the male to female relationship of a human man with the monster girl is paramount to everything, I can't imagine a Monster Girl would seek actual male animals. Also that married Monster Girls only recognize their husband as a male at all helps in favor of this. "Monsters who already have a husband are unable to recognize any other man as a male and by their very nature are unable to even experience pleasure from doing it with other men no matter how low their pleasure resistance drops." Or " And then, they stop acknowledging men other than their “husband” as males or prey, and they only seek and have sex with their “husband.” And " To a monster with a husband, their husband is the only male in the world that exists, so to them they don't have any other choice to begin with." The fact that it specifies 'man/men' as males would leave me to believe that actual animals are not even considered. Monster Girls also can't be tricked in regards to their husband or husband to be. In the case of intimate friends, they're all still females. Monsterization or friendly fondling between harem-mates or best friends is a lot different from the emotionless nothingness taken from an animal. Even in the case of tentacles, these beings are neither male nor female. Their tentacles are ultimately used for the purpose of sapping demonic energy. They spray mucous but not semen and their tentacles are not penises. That being said, the section on tentacle forest does mention 'allow the plants to also have sexual intercourse', so I don't really know where that ends and begins. Considering that Monster Girls, at most, will only ever have fellow wives to the one husband, and the role tentacle plants play, I think it may be more a misunderstanding and that the role of these plants is more innocent. The tentacle story also shows some insight on what's really happening with them. " However, the monsters of the new era would never forget their husbands, and the inhuman pleasure induced by countless tentacles could no longer at all surpass the pleasure induced by a man's single meat rod."

As for this potion, at worst it seems like psuedo-beastiality. At best, it seems nothing more than another way for husband and wife to share their love for the sake of variety. After all that's said and done, Monster Girls love it when their husband aims their lust at them. Turning them into a beast, or beast-like, it sounds like they're just enjoying his male instinct. For men more timid and less likely to direct their lusts actively, this may be a way to make it happen. As for rape, it hardly seems like rape in the actual definition considering the husband and wife are both making it happen. It hardly ever seems like rape is taken into its literal meaning for nearly all the times it's used.

One person already mentioned that it's 'human beast rape mamono'. I'd have to agree, it's a human man, turned beast, attacking his wife in the same way she likely first attacked him. Considering the tentacle potions makes the man a bunch of tentacles in the basic imitated shape of his penis (pending some variety), I would doubt that a human man turned beast would have a radically changed penis either. Also considering that the tentacle forest is a common destination for the couples for the sake of sex, it leaves me to believe that it's something that you and your Monster Girl wife would, not only not dislike, but like to try at least once. Especially since you'd likely want to make a child with your wife. That being said, a Monster Girl never tires of her husband so it's not like any of this is needed for her sake.

Another point to raise is that their instinct is to find human men only and not just males of any kind or variety. Though I haven't seen it explicitly said, it would appear that sex with real animals, and thus actual beastiality, does not exist for mamono. Even in the case of a doppleganger potion, it's not that the Monster Girl is enjoying being gang-banged. She's enjoying the fact that her one and only beloved husband is now banging her as a gang.

I could probably think of more to say on the topic but I think I've already gone for too long. Hope that helps anyone new who sees this, someone who once commented here, or someone with a way to contact KC to get the facts.

Edit: " "Diamond" soldiers are mischievous and immensely curious about the men they capture, so they'll try teasing a man's body in every indecent manner they can think of. They prefer thrilling sex, such as changing a man into an animal and having sex with him. Together with the queen, they think up new mysterious occurrences for Wonderland, and they have been granted the power to actualize the things they come up with."

"There is also tea that turns the men who drink it into large dogs with heated libidos driven to violate monsters, and ponds of viscous liquid formed from sudden torrents of aphrodisiac rain."

In the case of the trumpart, I'm not sure what to think of that. Other than that it is ultimately a human man with human male spirit energy. As for Wonderland, I also don't know.

Edit2: In regards to the original edit topics: It's just a matter of having human men assault them or pour their lust into them with the instinct of a male and not about the actual form they take. As for why larger animals, such as wolves and horses, it does say it's for the enjoyment of wild sex from their husband with literal animal lust.