Thread:BTR180/@comment-27550231-20200103233019/@comment-27666783-20200104181113

@Hakaishin Aro

Its hard for me to discern the capabilities and limits of Lilims given their performances in the World Guides and the Fallen Maidens/Brides tbh. From their super-charm, to Queen of Hearts being able to create Mamono which apparently have the strength to match low-tier gods(Trumpart Aces).

So this 'Grail vs Lilim' template goes, Lilims seem to be able to create their own Realms of existence, albeit at a great cost to their time, effort, and ability. It is something the 'Grails' cannot do, while a Grail maybe strong in the Material Realm against them, trying to pick a fight with the Queen of Hearts dead center of Wonderland is ill-advised, given her serious home field advantage. To put it in an analogy, the Grail is the Battleship, the Lilim the Pocket Battleship/Heavy Cruiser hanging back with friendly coastal guns and sea mines. Dueling it out on the high seas gives the Battleship the advantage, buts its bulky, slow, and a huge target, if the Heavy Cruiser can lure the Battleship to the mines and the coastal batteries(Lilim's own realm/Deep Demon Realm), the Battleships in trouble.

Basically, something akin to my 'Homo Grandis'?

Precisely, something akin to it, Grails are human and always have been. They, like your Homo Grandis, are humans biologically enhanced beyond current modern Homo Sapien Sapien through their own potential. The difference between 'Grails' and the standard(for the sake of clarity, I'll give the temporary name 'Homo Superior' to my dudes so to clarify I'm not referring to Homo Grandis) Homo Superior, is that the Grails are essentially the 'ascended' demi-god-esque humans that consort on a higher plane of existence such as the Pantheon, or interacting with Lilims.

I don't know if you saw my response to your question about them on the previous threrad.

I did, it was quite intersting. Who were the Felinus and this Alien slaver race?

@BTR180 '''I'm not about to get into the intricacies of creating a new mamono but if you think they can be trusted go for it. This could be a great point of contention for the characters to work through.'''

Oh no, the Grails are human. The heavy hitting Ships-of-the-Line that occasionally get together to represent Mankind on the Pantheon/ figure out things like 'How to continue uplifting hoomans and friends without death and suffering'. Can even add to it that they get reared by good Väter and Mütter households to remind them of their 'power comes responsibility' so they don't become God Complex ridden douche canoes, part of why Bertram wants people like Jorge on board. Advisors with a moral compass in order to tell him if he's outta line.

So Bertram is addicted to a limit removing drug?

Opium addiction is a helluva thing, opium withdrawls are also a helluva thing. Maybe it was an experimental drug the Order dished out to its guys in the Far East Garrison when Bertram got stationed there. Maybe Bertram got injured at some point and took a liking to the morphine a bit too hard. Essentially yes, its like Super Opium, dulls the pain, gets that delicious Euphoria, and removes the safety governors on your musculature. Bertram got hopped up on it and is reaping what he sowed.