Talk:Alp/@comment-26097222-20150211124621/@comment-26097222-20150211220749

You're ignoring the possibilities of high-end charm magic, Party. An Alice can make a man rape a little girl (as far as he knows, anyway). That's a pretty extreme shift in what he thinks is attractive. You may make the argument he has a suppressed tendency and she just uncloseted it or amplified it, but that's pretty much how ALL heterosexual men are with regards to homosexuality. As I've posted before, EVERYONE is at least a little homosexual. If they weren't they couldn't be trusted to dress themselves. If an Alice can amplify a deeply buried loli attraction to overwhelming strength, a Lilim could make a man temporarily attracted to other men the same way.

If you have the capability to pick out clothes (as a man) that women will think make you look good but are only consciously attracted to women, then you only have a small amount of the trait that makes a man homosexual. A gay man has lots of it. What if someone charmed you to crank yours up to the maximum for juuust long enough for a Lilim to turn human into monster? It's a creepy thought, I know. But it's well within the limits of the sort of charm magic a Lilim had access to, and remember we're not talking about her doing someone a favor here, this is a punishment.