Talk:Demon/@comment-71.59.226.247-20150829221311/@comment-26419174-20150917233216

 @Party. If you are sitting from pc/notebook, you can try copying   the post to word and checking there as well as writing there. Works for me. now to   the points:

 1. And how do we know that they do not try? we don't know much about the Order,   and what they are up to.

 2. OR they may have tried and failed. We indeed most likely will never know\

 3. This point is at very least arguable. At first i thought that there was a direct statement to the contrary, but, as it turns out that's   not true, as in the statement is inferred from canon rather then qouted. Still, the closest i gt to the order having better magic is this line "Most of the “Anti-Monster states” are comparatively affluent, and boast a high cultural standard due to the teachings of the Chief God ." where as refetring to the monsters superiority are   "Due to this magical energy, the spells they use are often vastly more powerful than similar spells used by ordinary humans. Some of them even have magical energy powerful enough to level a small town. " describing DE and lines such as "They possess much greater magic than they did while amongst the living"   refering to human sorceresses who became liches and   "possess huge amounts of magic power" in witch profile. So I would say that my original claim still stands: monsters are better at magic then humans are. With regards to Mimiru please re-read   section 4 of "Gift". There was a fight and Mimiru lost it. But the point is that the order had to use her so much because there was no one to match her in their ranks which speaks a lot about the number and abilities of spell casters, namely that they are probablh insufficient for such an undertaking.

 4-7(there is a 6 there, formatting screwed up I'll fix up after uploading this post ).Because without these points   addressed the "actual defensive measures " not only won't help, but will actually spell doom for the order in its entirety. Simple as that