Talk:Devil/@comment-24768935-20140728035127/@comment-25035274-20140807185550

I was in the middle of a post, and my browser crashed. Lost the whole thing. That did not make for a sexy party, I can tell you.

Anywho, I'll take it as a sign. This specific debate, at least between you and I, is over. Not because you've convinced me or I've convinced you, and not because I don't enjoy the debate, because I do. No, it's over because we're at a point where we're both starting to repeat ourselves, and at that point it's impossible to really make any headway, so the best thing to do is to let the issue lie.

We had a good run with it, and we both understand a little more about why the other sees it the way they do, but it's over. I'm not going to convince you, and you're not going to convince me.

But to make a point of it, Yoush? You're calling yourself a realist (regarding humanity) as though I, somehow, am not. We're both realists, and we're both speaking truths. Neither of us, however, are speaking the entire truth because we both have our biases.

The condition that humanity is in isn't a, "Nyah, nyah! I'm right and you're wrong," issue. It's a multi-facted issue; a person can look at it from many different angles, and get a very different view of humanity from each with none of them being any more correct than any of the others.

At the end of the day, we're the noblest creature on this planet. We're also the most savage.