Talk:Human/@comment-187.237.39.30-20141017040414/@comment-213.119.32.191-20141018121315

187.237.39.30 - Calm down, seriously. Mamono and the Demon Lord aren't as pure as you'd think. I really don't want to get into another discussion, put let me clarify a few things.

1) People like me dislike the DL because she's an extremist, which makes her no better than the Order. She wants happiness, but only by forcing happiness, her own brand of happiness, on us. By forcing the Succubus morals and way of life upon everybody else with absolutely no compromise. She may have good intentions, but in the end her methods aren't "good". She's an extremist and a control freak who refuses to take any responsibility. Besides, who is she to decide how humans should be?

2) As loving as mamono may be, there are only 2 they consider immoral: cheating and killing. Pretty much everything else, no matter how depraved or sickening humans may find it, is okay. Physical abuse, kidnapping, brainwashing, drugging, assimilating, slavery, incest... These are all things they consider okay. Especially because humans consider those things depraved. Likwise, they are still predators who see humans as inferior. No matter how much they love their husbands, they still see us primarily as their food source and possessions. They force themselves upon the first human they see, who is then forced to become her husband no matter what his wishes may be. So if you're interested in a buxom and devoted Holsty, well that doesn't matter because an Ogre could kidnap and abuse you before you even have a chance to court a Holstaurus.

And Mamono don't accept you for who you are, they simply don't care. As long as they can milk you for spirit energy, they don't care what kind of person you are. So that's why I can't believe their love is genuine. Because if they did they wouldn't have to resort to their powers to seduce you and they would care to get to know you as a person not as a food supply.

And Human women are being transformed into mamono without their conscent. Their thoughts and mind are changed against their will to accept the Succubus lifestyle. They don't have any say in which species they transform into. An intelligent, orderly woman can find herself transformed into a Slime or Devil Bug, robbed of all the traits of themselves they hold dear.

Look, I don't hate mamono. I don't even want to have such an opinion about them. But these are all things that come from the Monster Ecology page. It's that thing that generalizes all mamono, ignoring the differences between species, an makes them look alot more depraved and selfish (and not in a good way) than they were presented. And this is why I keep that article out of my head canon. This way, I can still enjoy the MGE.