Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31931593-20170506073140/@comment-29564364-20170627191710

(Wow, I missed a lot! Let's see... *cracks fingers*)

"I'm an amoral person." It doesn't seem to be the case. I don't think you lack morals, just that our morals are based on differing standards. Your morality appears to be based on the preservation of mankind while my mine is based on the preservation of biodiversity.

"You try to be selfless in a selfish world and you're gonna get taken advantage of." I'm not selfless, far from it. Actually, I myself consider myself quite selfish.

"Incubi perpetuate and birth new monsters. They're a military target to whittle down the enemy numbers." According to your logic, the entirety of mankind should be a military target as every human has the potential to increase the monsters' numbers either by impregnating them or by becoming one.

"Cross wrote it so of course I can take the source material seriously." Cross also wrote that the wandering scholar employs a lot of hyperboles and that he recorded only the content of a single interview with a single human-monster couple per profile, meaning that one, the information is not to be taken literally, and two, it is not representative of the entire species.

"Last I checked, humans have the right to kill or fight off lions attacking or raping them. No prison necessary." Last I checked, my counterargument was referring to the "regardless of species" part.

"These monsters won't abide by the resolution I propose unless it's enforced and taken with DEADLY seriousness." These monsters won't abide by the resolution you propose because you basically ask them to pick their poison between instant death or extinction.

"Finally we agree on something. I'm all for the elimination of the demon lord." That's something we definitely don't agree on. Eliminating the Demon Lord would revert all monsters back to man eating creatures. My proposition was reasoning or forcing both the Demon Lord and the Chief God into a compromise. More specifically, changing the setting rules to stop sexual assault, allow monsters to birth males and Demonic Energy's corruptive effects will be no longer needed. Those are the only three settings we need to change to achieve the possibility of a peaceful coexistence, one coming from the Demon Lord ("DE corruption") and the other two coming from the Chief God ("sexual assault" and "no son"). If someone has to be overthrown, it's the Chief God as she's the one who refuses to concede. It would still work if a new Chief God who supports coexistence took her place or if the throne remains vacant, allowing the Demon Lord to go on with her plan. It would make things simpler as we'd only have the Demon Lord to convince before everything is converted to a Demon Realm.

"There's no reasoning with a succubus." How do you know? Have you ever even tried? If there's someone who wants a happy ending for everyone more than anyone, it's gotta be the Demon Lord. She is just too ambitious to the point of trampling over people's free will and she doesn't use the right methods, and that's what she needs to realize.

"Either the monsters leave humans alone and never come anywhere near them or they and their daughters will be butchered without mercy." Problem is, most monsters can't survive without humans, so complete segregation is not a valid solution.

"The Order doesn't want coexistence and neither do I." The Order wants the survival of humanity and the Demon Lord wants a happily ever after for everyone, both ensured if my proposed solution succeeds.

"Get rid of Druella and her radical factions and then we'll talk." Killing them won't be necessary, but even in times of peace, there will always be radical factions from both sides, whether you want it or not.

"I offered a peaceful resolution by having borders. If the mamano follow that mandate, they'll have peace. As long as they keep to their side, I have no issues." "Respecting borders between different nations helps maintain peace. If the monsters abide by it, they will know peace." Ah, that peace... Simply delicious with a little seasoning of EXTINCTION!

"It's an enforced peaceful solution." The contradiction in that statement is in bold letters. A peaceful solution, by definition, cannot be enforced as enforcement requires the use of force, which directly contradicts the nature of peace which requires the absence of violence. Peace: 2. freedom from or the cessation of war or violence.

"The chief God favors humans over mamano. I see no reason to antagonize her." You're half right. Favouring humanity is not a reason to antagonize her. Favouring humanity at the expense of monsters with the intent of keeping the world in the stagnation of a perpetual cycle of bloodshed is.

"The chief God would be satisfied with the resolution I proposed." No, she wouldn't. She would be satisfied with everything going back to how it was before the current Demon Lord ascended to power.

The more this goes on, the more I see similarities between the Demon Lord & Alipheese XVI and the Chief God & Ilias from Monster Girl Quest.

"The Demon Lord is neither man nor women. She's a succubus." Doesn't change the fact that she's still a sapient being capable of thoughts, feelings and emotions just like every monsters currently are. They may not be human or have the same social values as ours, but on the psychological level, they are as advanced as we are (at least, most of them *cough* Slimes). The fact that you've shown yourself incapable of showing the least bit of empathy simply because they are different makes you even less human than they are.

"Let the demon lord fix the problem of producing males so that the monsters breed with their own kind and leave humans alone." Maybe if the Chief God and the Order didn't want her head she could focus more on solving the issue. And that setting along with the "sexual assault" setting will be fixed once the Demon Lord builds up enough power or when the Chief God finally lets go of the stick. Did you even read the setting or did you only read the profiles? I am strongly inclined towards the latter option, otherwise we wouldn't have to explain this to you.

"Humans should breed with humans and monsters should breed with monsters." Great, now you're restraining our sexual freedom... You're starting to sound like those members of the Southern Baptist Church who claim that homosexuals are abominations that should be stoned to death simply for being homosexual.

"I've read their profiles. They're not human and they're a threat. That's all [the] justification I need." I absolutely hate to invoke Godwin's Law, but this is the exact same reasoning Hitler used to justify the holocaust.

Your view is so one dimensional that you only look at the few inches of black and white at each end of the spectrum while completely overlooking the mile of shades of grey in between.

"They rape men and use them as breeding tools." I already explained above why the rape part is caused by the Chief God and not by the Demon Lord. And you misspelled "lover/husband".

"Worst of all, they invade human territories(Lescstie ring a bell?). These are all threatening displays to the Order. If the mamano truly desired peace, they would never commit any of these atrocities." First, that was done by a radical faction, which is not representative of all monsters. And second, as the greatest producer of heroes, both in their power and numbers, Druella saw Lescastie as the biggest threat to monsters.

Imagine the MGE setting, except you replace the monsters by another human race that is all female and species of monsters by different skin colours, ethnicities, cultures, etc. Would you still want to exterminate them?

"Those terms you use are applied to humans. It's not rascism as the mamano pose a dangerous threat to the Order." Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior Racism can be directed at any sapient being, real or fictional, human or monster, which is what Fantastic Racism is.

"It's basically two countries at war." No, it's basically one country who said "Hey, let's fusion." and the other replied "Fuck you! I'll exterminate you all until not one of you remains!"

"Of course I'd regard the other hostile country as a threat and treat its inhabitants as such." That's not how things work. When two countries are at war, it's military forces versus military forces, not military forces versus population. Civilian casualties are usually unintentional collateral damage. The Order is sending its military forces slaughtering innocent monster civilians. Let's say the United States declare war to Canada. Would you suddenly treat all Canadians as threats? Would you deploy the U.S. military in Canadian provinces with the order to kill as many Canadians as possible, whether civilian or soldier? According to the quote above, you would and that's what the Order is already doing.

"The incubi aren't human. There are major physiological differences between them and humans as I've mentioned before." Incubi are definitely still human. Corrupted by DE, but human nonetheless.

"The incubi will come to no harm as long as they stay in their demon realms where they can live out their content lives with their concubines." One word: EXTINCTION!

"Not in Order land, however, where they can taint human females, act as spies, or engage in espionage." Incubi have distinctive red eyes, making them quite easy to expose. A Gyoubu Danuki would be the better option for infiltration.

"This is a total war scenario." No. It's one side relentlessly attacking the other side who just wants to love and be loved.

"The mamanos' actions have forced the Order's hand and they're backed into a corner." Is breathing such a crime?

"War is an [ugly] affair that involves sacrifices and difficult decisions." Mass genocide of an entire population of sapient beings doesn't seem like much of a difficult decision for you. I fail to see your hesitation.

"This is a battle for survival." Nope. This is a battle between an obstinate godess and her rebellious creation.

"Galeah illistrated the grim reality the Order must confront. If theyre fated to lose, the least they can do is fight to the end." Or maybe they should try something they've never tried before and resolve the problem by approaching it from a different angle that doesn't involve killing everything in sight: diplomacy.