@DarthNP Glad to be of service.
@TheSapphireStar97
>Of the Demon lord. You want her to obey your whim
No, I want her to consider my suggestions and compromise as best we can as was outlined in the OP. Once again you seem to have a habit of strawmanning everything I say.
>and abandon what's she's been working on for a millenia(at minimum) just to get you as an ally.
She isn't abandoning anything, you still can't explain what she is abandoning.
>That's not it at all. The core of MGE is being freed by mamono. Yet you want to
Yes being freed from servitude to the Order and the CG and gaining more free will and independence in the process which is exactly the utility I am trying to preserve and maximize with my alliance.
>enforce a strict rule under threat of punishment unless mamono become extremely boring and need consent, which just dosen't work the way the world is.
You STILL HAVE NOT explained what the "strict" rules are, what my "punishments" are and then you top it off with an unqualifed statement I'd like you to explain.
>Then realise how awful that point is. You have no benefits wit the link being removed. I dunno what veteran is talking about, but this link isn't mentioned to be revertable at all so I dunno why you want it gone in the first place
No, I want you to stop arguing from fallacy first. Then I want you to actually understand my point and stop strawmanning it or just ignore it.
>Already answered this
No, you haven't. Explain clearly in 20 words or less what is being reverted.
>2 years prison sentence
Where the fuck are you inferring this?
>"wild" mamono being exempt from protection
This is hardly a punishment, merely a pragmatic compromise stating that mamono that don't want to respect the free will of humans will be subject to justice FROM the humans. Obviously it's not feasible to educate and keep track of all of the mamono in the wild which is why this exists. It's far less harsh than breaking laws in most societies where you would actually be hunted down and punished by your own state's police force.
>If you want things to be pointed out, then point out mind control magic.
Mindflayers, charm magic, all manner of aphrodisiacs, moth scales (yes this is still a form of mind control) need I go on? It's not exactly hard to find.
>Your extreme rules are demanding the Sabbath to disband
Hardly an extreme perspective for your fellow members here. It is not reasonable to assume an underdeveloped mind can consent to a permanent life-changing decision.
>that mamono cannot jump on men anymore(some of us likes that y'know)
I get that you have a reverse rape fetish. Well guess what, mamono can sense your fetishes and act accordingly so there's nothing stopping this from happening "consensually". It is selfish to impose this on everyone else.
>that Lilims have to be disciplined thoroughly for something you don't even mention
Except I did mention it. The irresponsible employment of their immense power (see Druella, the Queen of Hearts etc this is once again NOT a contrarian position to take). And perhaps this is my mistake with the wording but I meant more of a stern talking to/proper parenting from the DL and not any sort of corporal punishment.
>If it's only free will for you and humans at the cost of the freedom of mamono? then yes.
So you're ok if it's the over way around? Ignoring the double-standard, all monsters are stronger physically and magically than humans so there is an unbalanced power dynamic between them. At no point do I even mention anything beyond guidelines and regulations so I'm not sure where the "cost of freedom" is coming from. Especially as I already explained how mamono are technically devoid of free will until their link to the DL and the CG is severed which is something you seem to vehemently disagree with.
>This already exists. There is already diplomacy with neutral nations that usually become demon realms because the demon realms they have diplomacy with see how much better those nations have it(yes that is a thing)
Yes, but herein the problem with anything beyond a long distance relationship. Passive corruption by demonic energy.
With the way monsters and demon realms are written, it is impossible to be truly neutral to both the monsters and the Order, because if you let enough monsters inside your nation it will be converted to a demon realm (you state exactly this in your post) and all the people will monsterize. For this same reason, it is unfeasible for any diplomat (Order aligned or otherwise) to even visit a demon realm without being corrupted and then likely raped on the spot. This inevitably polarizes the hell out of the setting and is likely the only reason the Order doesn't have more enemies. Especially when you add in the complete lack of foreign policy from the DL and her Lilim to try and educate the world. It is only rational for a human polity to lash out against this assimilative enigma of a nation.
>Your isekai scenaro seems to include alot of "fixes" though.
Yes because in this scenario I have god-like powers AND the CG and DL know about them and so just not using them would be boring and probably endanger me. Actually being in a setting and having the means to change it is vastly different than observing it as piece of fiction where conflict and imperfections are desirable traits.
>Sounds like a you problem, buddy. Mamono are benevolent at their very core.
Appeals to emotion are always subjective I'm afraid.